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Bright Star Shine · Aug 25, 2012, 06:31 AM // 06:31

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Buying ingame money is against the Arena Net's EULA. No "personal" opinion can change this, and no legal company would ever have sell items which they dont legally own.

He never said that a personal opinion can change that, he said a personal opinion can be used to determine if you consider it 'bad' or not. Buying and smoking marijuana is against the law in most countries, yet a lot of people don't think it's 'bad'. It's not because something is against some rules it's necessarily 'bad'.

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Do you, or even Bright Star Shine support botting,

No

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scamming

No

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or players buying ingame money?

Yes. Because of the reasons I summed up earlier. Buying someone's (legitly earned) in-game stuff is like using money to buy a bread. You need a bread, but don't have the time or the resources to make one yourself, but some dude has had the time to do so, so you use your money to buy it off him.

Of course you can't know if the money you buy came from botters or someone that actually played the game to earn it, but I still support the cause.

Coast · Aug 25, 2012, 11:21 AM // 11:21

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

Buying ingame money is against the Arena Net's EULA. No "personal" opinion can change this, and no legal company would ever have sell items which they dont legally own.

Do you, or even Bright Star Shine support botting, scamming or players buying ingame money?

Diablo III....

cantalus · Aug 25, 2012, 11:53 AM // 11:53

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Lol, you're accusing me of botting now? I never botted, scammed or cheated another person in my entire life, nor on any online community.

perhaps go and find out what apologist means, then re-read this "you're an apologist for botters, scammers and cheats"

another word you might want to learn whilst you're at it is defamation, then when you know what that means, you might well realise that i did not accuse you of anything apart from being an apologist yadda yadda yadda

Nekodesu · Aug 25, 2012, 12:49 PM // 12:49

EVERYBODY that I know of, that doesn't give a sh!t about Guild Wars, and is/was getting 30 points til today, and til 28th, have bought gold, ecto's, whatever. Seriously, every damn one. And I could link to pages where people who are playing GW2 are discussing pages of how to get the point where numerous of people are linking to pages that we see in game.

I'm assuming this is the reason the current ecto market has suddenly crashed, ecto is becoming worthless, people realize they don't need it, they need zkeys.

Reformed · Aug 25, 2012, 12:50 PM // 12:50

Did smoking weed really just get compared to RMT? What a fail thread.

Cookie of Funk · Aug 25, 2012, 12:55 PM // 12:55

Ecto is worthless because people who are still trying to play the game need gold, and generally the best way to get gold is trading x amount of ecto for 100k. Since there is an excessive supply of ecto, but limited demand for it, people go for the next best alternative. Selling ecto to the trader, so that they can get gold.

Not a difficult concept, even if perhaps there is some influence from other factors such as gold buyers. Ecto as a form of currency has depreciated, and people are resorting to simply 'dumping' it. As for this entire Gold buying/selling argument: Breaking EULA =/= Bad.

DreamRunner · Aug 25, 2012, 02:00 PM // 14:00

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

He never said that a personal opinion can change that, he said a personal opinion can be used to determine if you consider it 'bad' or not. Buying and smoking marijuana is against the law in most countries, yet a lot of people don't think it's 'bad'. It's not because something is against some rules it's necessarily 'bad'.

Check what I wrote, and quoted from, and then see below.

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Originally Posted by Bright Star Shine

Yes. Because of the reasons I summed up earlier. Buying someone's (legitly earned) in-game stuff is like using money to buy a bread. You need a bread, but don't have the time or the resources to make one yourself, but some dude has had the time to do so, so you use your money to buy it off him.

But it doesn't apply. The gold sellers are a service industry, as you put it. Except the items which the service it is providing, isn't owned by the gold sellers or the players. Check the Arenanet EULA.

Bright Star Shine · Aug 25, 2012, 03:32 PM // 15:32

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Originally Posted by DreamRunner

But it doesn't apply. The gold sellers are a service industry, as you put it. Except the items which the service it is providing, isn't owned by the gold sellers or the players. Check the Arenanet EULA.

This would be relevant if a person selling their in game gold currency for RL currency would be damaging Anet by selling their ecto/Zkeys/arms, which they're not. Someone who sells their ecto doesn't remove said ecto from the game, or does anything with it that is to any harm of Anet. The ecto still goes around, their game was not in any way infringed, nor did they lose money/resources by the sale. It is true that I don't own the ecto I have in the game, but does that mean I have to care whether or not Anet approves of me hypothetically selling it (which I never said I ever did, I'm just justifying it)? Nope, I absolutely don't. To put it in one of my most favorite sentences from the english language: you cannot begin to fathom the immensity of the f*ck that I do not give.

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perhaps go and find out what apologist means, then re-read this "you're an apologist for botters, scammers and cheats"

another word you might want to learn whilst you're at it is defamation, then when you know what that means, you might well realise that i did not accuse you of anything apart from being an apologist yadda yadda yadda

May I refer you to your original post, and this time, note the highlighted part:

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you're an apologist for botters, scammers and cheats, odd that, very few people do that, and i know, and have known more than enough guys with birds that have sold their accounts, even they don't try and justify it like you have. gold selling is against the EULA, therefore cheating, end of

If that isn't a backhand accusation, the pope is a Jew. Next time you want to talk condescending to someone (I know damn well what an apologist is) and tell them to reread something, how about you actually try to read what you said yourself? Might spare you some internet arguments.

Bristlebane · Aug 25, 2012, 06:29 PM // 18:29

Maybe it's time for a mod to close this topic,
I don't see anything productive coming out of this thread.

rotaulave · Aug 27, 2012, 07:56 PM // 19:56

Wouldnt it be funny if we found out that the reason Anet didnt bust so my bots as they could have or gold sellers, is if thats their second job of income lol, They, Anet said they (Anet) can take from out of your account but cant put back something ( that was stolen) fishy there.

spun ducky · Aug 27, 2012, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by rotaulave

Wouldnt it be funny if we found out that the reason Anet didnt bust so my bots as they could have or gold sellers, is if thats their second job of income lol, They, Anet said they (Anet) can take from out of your account but cant put back something ( that was stolen) fishy there.

While they most certainly have ran bots in testing for banning purposes I think only the outskirts of the employees if any actively botted. They didn't really need for earning extra cash on the side they new what changes were coming to skills and the market through early knowledge of updates. Case and Point White Wasabi I need not say more.